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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    4/15/2002 4:11 pm  
To:  ALL   (1 of 25)  
 
  373.1  
 
1 Cor 7:14 
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 
I have someone on my forum that believes, unless I'm misunderstanding, this is saying that if an unbeliever marries a believer they will not go to hell when they die. That the unbeliever is saved because of the believer they are married too. 

I disagree with this, but I would like to know what those of you here think. Please try to explain your answer. 

Ruth

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/15/2002 6:12 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (2 of 25)  
 
  373.2 in reply to 373.1  
 
Hi Ruth,

 

I consider that the verse that you quoted above means that there are certain blessings and there is a spiritual protection when there is at least one Christian in the family.

 

Sanctification and holy are basically the same word in the Greek and they both mean set apart and clean but neither of them mean redemption or Born Again, it is generally understood that these conditions belong to the born again Christian.

 

A child and/or a non-believing spouse are clean and set apart because of the Prayers, knowledge and intersession on the part of the Believing Christian. Meaning that they are clean from certain dirty demonic influences, and they are clean because the Christian is interceding to God on their behalf and because the Christian is sharing the cleansing knowledge of the Word of God (Bible) with them but unless they accept the cleansing blood of Jesus for their own sins they are still sinners and are not redeemed.

 

I think that this verse is a call to prayer for all Christian parents and for their spouses. This verse really does confirm that prayer matters and that the results of our prayers in the lives of our loved ones is significant.

 

God Bless You,

Your friend,

David



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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    4/16/2002 9:56 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (3 of 25)  
 
  373.3 in reply to 373.2  
 
YES I totally agree with you. Back in the day if you were an illegitimate child you were messed up pretty bad. That's what the children of a Jew and an unbeliever were considered. I can't find the scripture right now but I believe these children were prevented from coming into the Temple because they were considered unclean. 
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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   4/16/2002 12:53 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (4 of 25)  
 
  373.4 in reply to 373.3  
 
Hi Ruth... 

That is the correct defintion of an "illegitimate" birth (union of a non Israelite to an Israelite). See Deut.:23:2-8 Also, read Nehemiah 13: 22-29 where pagan wives (non israelite women) and the children were to be "put away" (divorced)by the israelite men who had married them. This was among other things required to keep Christ's bllodline as a descendant of David's pure. ( In Israel the bloodline comes from the mother as only her bloodline could be proved to be an Israelite. (before the days of paternity testing ;) ) 

Christ's birth made the physical covenant between God and David a reality ... the preservation of the Messianic Blood Line was now fullfilled. Further of course was the New Covenant ( Christ's atonement for all sinnners) fullfilled all the legal requirements of the old testament. 
 
  
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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    4/16/2002 3:23 pm  
To:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   (5 of 25)  
 
  373.5 in reply to 373.4  
 
Thanks so much the Deut.23:2-8 reference was the one I was looking for this morning. My head was hurting so bad this morning I couldn't think but I knew that I had read that, I just thought it was in Leviticus. 
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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    4/17/2002 9:54 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (6 of 25)  
 
  373.6 in reply to 373.2  
 
David would you mind coming over to Sheepgate and adding some thoughts to the thread I got this question from? I would really appreciate your insight. The name of the thread is "Would you marry someone of another faith" 
This invitation applies to anyone else that would like to join in the descussion as well. 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/18/2002 6:32 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (7 of 25)  
 
  373.7 in reply to 373.6  
 
Hi Ruth,

 

Good point!

 

In Judaism non-believers are unclean and required to depart the family, even the village and town.

 

In Christianity we are to remain with a non-believer, if the situation allows for it, in hopes that we can be an instrument and a witness towards their redemption in accepting Jesus as their own personal redeeming savior.

 

Our remaining with them does not make us unclean it actually helps them.

 

God Bless you,

David



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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    4/19/2002 7:50 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (8 of 25)  
 
  373.8 in reply to 373.7  
 
Yes it gives the Lord an opportunity to bless them in hopes that the goodness of God will lead them to repentance. 
Ruth

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  From:  myroadstar1   4/28/2002 10:32 am  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (9 of 25)  
 
  373.9 in reply to 373.1  
 
Jesus said no man can come to the father except by me.
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  From:  123four   4/29/2002 9:22 am  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (10 of 25)  
 
  373.10 in reply to 373.1  
 
Never heard that idea before. Meaning that the unsaved believer does not have to receive salvation, but can go right on to heaven? 
Sometimes the unbeliever does get saved, but most of the time they 
don't. Ye must be born again applies to everyone, doesn't it? 

There may be a certain amount of protection for the unbelieving 
spouse, due to having a Christian spouse. The couple is one in 
marriage, or live as a unit. But, I don't believe they will go to heaven on the coatails of the other spouse. 
 
  
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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    4/29/2002 10:14 am  
To:  myroadstar1   (11 of 25)  
 
  373.11 in reply to 373.9  
 
Yeah that's a verse you just can't bypass. Otherwise it would say something like no once can come to the Father except by me or by marrying someone that believes in me. But that isn't what it says, is it? NO! It's only by Jesus. The relationship has to be between us and Him not us and someone else who has a relationship with Him. 
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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    4/29/2002 10:16 am  
To:  123four   (12 of 25)  
 
  373.12 in reply to 373.10  
 
Yeah I think being married to a believer can open the door of God's blessing for an unbeliever but that does not automatically equal salvation. 
Ruth

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/29/2002 4:29 pm  
To:  123four   (13 of 25)  
 
  373.13 in reply to 373.10  
 
Hi 123four,

 

<Sometimes the unbeliever does get saved, but most of the time they 

don't.> 

 

Great comment!

 

Isnt it interesting that the tendency is for the non-believer to drag down the Christian instead of the other way around.

 

It is a special ministry to be married to a non-believer, a ministry the Bible tells us not to get engaged in (pun intended J) but for those wonderful Christians that are in those relationships they need our support and comfort from the Church, in triple, because they most likely are not getting it at home.

 

I think the Church really should put extra effort into helping people in theses relationships.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  myroadstar1   4/29/2002 6:21 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (14 of 25)  
 
  373.14 in reply to 373.11  
 
Amen to that. Make no mistake we will be held accountable for our actions.
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  From:  esqvictims   4/30/2002 6:55 am  
To:  myroadstar1   (15 of 25)  
 
  373.15 in reply to 373.14  
 
I am a Catholic Christian who is married 
to a non-believing baptized Lutheran who 
was raised Christian Scientist. My husband 
is nearly atheist today. 
I know I pray for his salvation and it is 
heavy on my heart. Yet, I know God is 
merciful. I believe God reveals Himself 
to us in many subtle ways. I remember an 
experience I had with my infant daughter 
and looking through her eyes, I finally 
understood God the Father in a way I have 
never been able to before, and I will never 
NOT be able to understand Him as I do since then. 
He is sooo loving, sooo merciful and sooo 
misunderstood. I don't pretend to know His 
answers, I simply trust them. I believe as 
Judge, we don't need to worry about how 
He will judge our unbelieving brothers and sisters. 
I think, we as believers, having a greater ruler 
by which we will be judged as we are already 
experiencing heaven on earth- where our non-believing 
counterparts are not. Just my take... How blessed 
we are to have a merciful God. This is not to 
say that I don't believe in Hell, Satan or that 
Heaven is granted to everyone, because I don't.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/30/2002 4:40 pm  
To:  esqvictims   (16 of 25)  
 
  373.16 in reply to 373.15  
 
Hi Esqvictims,

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

Thanks for your informative posting.

 

I meant to mention in my last post that there is a forum here on Delphi that is dedicated to Christians that are Married to non-believers. It is a forum for comfort and support.

 

It is named after one of the verses in the first or second book written by the Apostle Peter but I dont remember which one. Ill try to find it or maybe someone else can post the name of it.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    4/30/2002 4:46 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (17 of 25)  
 
  373.17 in reply to 373.16  
 
OH That is a great idea for a forum! I would think any believer that is married to an unbeliever would need all of the support and encouragement they could get. If you find it I hope you can post the link here and maybe I can put it in this thread at Sheepgate. 
Ruth

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  From:  we're moving! (SKATERBABS)    5/14/2002 2:49 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (18 of 25)  
 
  373.18 in reply to 373.1  
 
No, all this verse means is that God will listen to the prayer of the unbelieving spouse, and sanctify any children of the union, because of the believing spouse. And excellent resource on this is a book called Beloved Unbeliever.

Ruth and Naomi 
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  From:  we're moving! (SKATERBABS)    5/14/2002 2:54 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (19 of 25)  
 
  373.19 in reply to 373.13  
 
Hello, David. 
If it is ok with you, may I tell you a little bit about a ministry I am part of here on Delphi? As you can see, I have several forums listed in my sig, one of which is called Ruth & Naomi. We minester and fellowship with wives who are unequally yoked, regardless of that means an unbelieving spouse, or a spouse who simply is not taking his God-given role of HOH. We also are there for single women and single moms, who are the HOH by default. 
If you know od anyone who could benefit from stopping by our little corner of cyber-space, send them on. :0) 


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   From:  we're moving! (SKATERBABS)    5/14/2002 2:57 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (20 of 25)  
 
  373.20 in reply to 373.16  
 
It was 1 Peter 3, and it was combined back in February with Ruth and Naomi. You can get to it through my sig. :0)

Ruth and Naomi 
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